>> no. the people who signed it verse the rest of the state. it's not like you have this -- texas is a big state, so 110,000 people signing in texas, it's not as big a deal as you think it is, or would like to make it. i think there's a lot ado about nothing. it's not going to happen. all right? so, let's enjoy our thanksgiving turkey -- >> you're here so you have to suffer through the humiliation of your party. let's go to james peterson here. professor, it seems to me somebody came up to me like they did -- we all have this, somebody comes up with a clipboard, they have a petition they want you to sign. you be polite and you say, let me see what it says. they go, this means we want to secede from the united states and 110,000 people, enough to fill the cotton ball, all say, sure, let me have that, give me a pen. what is this? >> chris, listen, like jim said, listen, it is an expression of a certain kind of racialized rhetoric directed at this president and directed at ways in which this country is becoming more multicultural country.